news is broadcasting that death valley is getting close to breaking a record.
the highest air temp recorded is 134 but that was in 1913 way before the huge spike in co2.
now its 130 and its the end of the world.
According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.
What should politicians do to help stop the build up of ice in Antartica? Reduce our freedoms? Tax us more?
alright this has been in my brain lately: both catholic church and the orthodox church has been around for about 2000 years, shouldn't they know how to practice christendom correctly by now?
jw hasn't even been around for 200 years and yet they say they do it right.
so silly of them.
By the end of the first century, the canon or the Bible was complete (John writing the book of Revelation in A.D. 95-96). By the end of the second century, the early church fathers had quoted from all of the New Testament books. The Muratorian Fragment (A.D. 150-170) listed all the New Testament books, except for Matthew, Mark, Hebrews, James, 1-2 Peter and 3 John.
The document is called a fragment because portions of the document have been torn off. The well known biblical scholar Westcott states that the missing books were probably included initially because the document is torn where they should have been listed. The Bible had already been established.
In the years that followed, the authority of certain books was challenged. Church councils were convened to review and verify the contents of our Bible. The Council of Carthage (A.D. 397) is usually pointed to as the council which finally put the debates to rest.
But unfortunately there will always be men who will challenge the authority of various books in the Bible.
In other words, the bible and sound Christian doctrines are easily determined today and are rock solid. Don't let anyone tell you differently.
alright this has been in my brain lately: both catholic church and the orthodox church has been around for about 2000 years, shouldn't they know how to practice christendom correctly by now?
jw hasn't even been around for 200 years and yet they say they do it right.
so silly of them.
Pick up a set on Ante Nicene Church Fathers if you want to check out what was going on directly after the apostles left the scene. This volume set lists the writings of church leaders until 325 AD. It's easy to read the writings of the leaders that the apostles trained, and who they trained and so forth.
This is the set I bought: https://www.bonanza.com/listings/The-Ante-Nicene-Fathers-Complete-Set-Volumes-1-10-1989-USA-Roberts-Donaldson/1098748708?goog_pla=1
These were the early church leaders and they were always writing to each out about some trouble or heretical group or person and seeking advice from each other. It is very easy to determine what they believed because of all these writings. "Against Heresies" is a major early work. There is some variation among the leaders as you would expect, but nothing of huge importance.
They end up quoting all but a few verses of the NT while writing to each other. So, scriptures that are disputed by the critical text are easily checked out to see if / how the early church fathers quoted them or not. Basically, the early church leaders quoted scriptures consistent with the textus receptus - or KJV.
Lots of groups of Christians were never part of the RCC or the Reformation. Most of their histories were wiped out as the RCC killed 50 million people in Europe over an 800 year period. I do not believe that a person can understand Christian history without learning about these remarkable groups and the methodical relentless persecution they endured for centuries.
Here's the best work documenting these Christian groups IMO: https://www.amazon.com/Reformers-Their-Stepchildren-Dissent-Nonconformity/dp/1579789358
Baptists do not claim to be protestant but claim decendency from these various groups.
https://news.yahoo.com/fourth-capitol-police-officer-died-165444271.html what is going on here?
coincidence?.
We all know the election was stolen from Trump
And more importantly, stolen from the citizens of the USA.
https://news.yahoo.com/fourth-capitol-police-officer-died-165444271.html what is going on here?
coincidence?.
Rocketman,
To a lot of people, the whole event had the look and feel of something that was carefully managed. We all saw the Capitol Police leading protestors into the Capitol. Most footage has been removed from YouTube, like the one where that cop was leading Buffalo Man up the stairs into the Senate chamber. We all saw that with our own eyes....remember? But, this one still remains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj6U5JNOlS8&ab_channel=Spoudazo.US
The hatred of the Deep State for Trump is well documented, some foreign analysts say because he is an outsider. I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to set a trap in this event with paid agitators working up the crowd. It would control all the central players, but if other officers showed up not knowing the script, they could be dealt with later. And if some Capitol police balk at the script, they can be dealt with as well. This isn't their first rodeo.
I used to be more trusting, until I saw what kind of manipulation is possible by the Wt. It's mind-boggling. I have also seen what power does to people like my older brothers who were/are elders.
4 suicides of Capitol police involved on Jan. 6th?
C'mon man!
https://news.yahoo.com/fourth-capitol-police-officer-died-165444271.html what is going on here?
coincidence?.
he has no to little evidence, just self assuming speculation.
We all saw the evidence on TV... remember the observers getting shut out?
He is a "Retired Army Intelligence Captain". Looks a bit bigger than just self-assuming speculation.
Maybe he should quit looking into this before he is overcome with an overwhelming urge to commit suicide as well.
https://news.yahoo.com/fourth-capitol-police-officer-died-165444271.html what is going on here?
coincidence?.
https://news.yahoo.com/fourth-capitol-police-officer-died-165444271.html what is going on here?
coincidence?.
https://news.yahoo.com/fourth-capitol-police-officer-died-165444271.html
What is going on here? Coincidence?
how could he be, regardless of how god impregnated mary, as she was a sinful human just like the rest of us according to the bible.. mary was subjected to the adamic sin like all other humans, so jesus had to at least be part sinner himself.. to believe otherwise is just deluding oneself imho .. the only way jesus could have been really without sin is if god created him the same way he created adam.. what do you think ?
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pistolpete,
Let me just say that I appreciate many of your posts and look forward to what you have to say most of the time in agreement. This of course is an exception. I still appreciate you even though we are at odds on this issue.
No SB, I am dealing with historical and you are dealing with Faith.
Earlier you assumed that the "minimum facts" were historical. It seems that you no longer believe that being "deluded" is an adequate explanation for the events described. I agree with you. Finding plausible explanations for the "12 minimum facts" is not so easily achieved.
Are you now suggesting that the minimum facts that skeptic and other scholars agree are the minimum agreed upon facts surrounding the events of the Resurrection are no longer historical?
I believe that it takes more faith to believe in the one-word explanation you provided (deluded) for what can only be described as astounding: (the sudden embracement of Sunday as a day of rest and worship among thousands of orthodox Jews)...
without providing for any apparatus, religious, educational, social or familial impetus that could account for this proposed delusion right in the heart of Judaism. That takes a lot of faith to believe that. And, you have 11 more facts to try to explain away! Will you present any facts to explain those? Or, will you continue to rely upon faith in your "deluded" explanation? If so, I think you are much more of a man of faith than I am.
Is there any eyewitness of this Jesus outside of the Bible ?
Many of the eye witnesses became Christians and their writings became part of the bible. Even the harshest skeptic scholars will allow 6 or 7 of the NT books of the bible as genuine. Even if you disallow everything the skeptic scholars want, the best explanation is still that Jesus was raised from the dead using only the materials they allow.
There are also non-biblical sources for the historicity of Jesus. But, even the biggest atheist scholars use parts of the bible as history. So, to ignore ANYTHING written in the bible is not in line with modern scholarship.
Here is a good written purvue of the data: https://reasonsforjesus.com/risen-historical-evidence-jesus-rose-dead/
Here is a lecture at the University of California Santa Barbara where Dr. Habermas masterfully lays out the facts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0O4bHuQmX8&ab_channel=ScottishIndependence
how could he be, regardless of how god impregnated mary, as she was a sinful human just like the rest of us according to the bible.. mary was subjected to the adamic sin like all other humans, so jesus had to at least be part sinner himself.. to believe otherwise is just deluding oneself imho .. the only way jesus could have been really without sin is if god created him the same way he created adam.. what do you think ?
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PP,
We are not trying to determine an "ought" here. There is no moral dilemma. We are dealing with historical facts and trying to determine causal plausibility.
So far, you haven't offered anything that would account for even one of the historical facts established by the majority of scholars, secular or otherwise. There are 11 others to sort through.
In the absence of any plausible deniability, some people are going to conclude that the reason tens of thousands of orthodox Jews went against all religious, familial, social, educational and penal constructs, at great personal cost, is because Jesus really was raised from the dead.
Whatever a man says who has walked out of a tomb, is not easily dismissed.
